MLD In your desire to make the scriptures fit with your predisposed interpretation, youre assigning a secondary meaning that the text does not warrant, the text is giving us a period of time not a symbolic application as you are trying to assert. Unfortunately, many accountability relationships fail for a variety of reasons. And so if you cant read shall reign with him 1000 years as shall reign with him 1000 years, that is your personal issue. In case of her demise, she promised not to file a lawsuit. What kind of God would we serve if he chose some at random to go to hell and some to go to heaven. This becomes a learning lesson that the bigger the church the more safeguards it has to have and the less pastor-centric it has to become. "We need to stop him. Ive sat under some horrible pastors that taught fairly well. Vince couldnt stop pondering the hypothetical. Afterwards Bob address the congregation in the parking lot and proclaimed God must not want them to stay in Pompano and shortly there after the property they bought, which I think was the old Hewlett Packard building or something like that, was back in Ft Lauderdale. 22:20), The Lord Jesus Christ commands all believers to proclaim the gospel throughout the world and to make disciples of all nations. But with false doctrine he said But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray.. I havent been rebuked and cursed so much since Chuck passed away. Also, your link article suggests that we ought not make a big deal out of it cause he stepped down. Unfortunately dont think he should ever be restored to ministry. His popularity soared. Actually that is not in the Bible a humorous mistake for a literalist. Youre free not to believe me. 5And one of the elders said to me, Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals. 6And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. on and on ad nauseum ] The real power wont be shown by succumbing to any of these dangers. I guess you are a disciple of Luther, youre not anti Semitic like he was are you? Trust me friends, the moral failure is not so uncommon amongst leaders and parishioners within our churches and something we should all give deep, hard consideration to in our personal lives. You have to take literal and spiritualize it all. After Until the whole world hears fund raising, I personally wondered where the 60 million raised went. Does that corroborate with what youve heard? Cause all we know now is that Bob can work it. It will be interesting in this post-Coy(tal) era to learn the truth as it comes out. MLD, Im simply asking you to tell me ONE thing that Luther was wrong about in doctrine (in his confessions or from whatever source you like). MLD is too old to be tempted. According to Jesus definition of adultery, you are just as much an adulterer as Bob Coy is! As churchgoers held their hands up in ecstasy, Sauder read from Matthew and promised that Jesus was ready to heal. Michael can you confirm the involvement of Bob Barnes as someone who was instrumental in all this coming to light? It is difficult to go to church and see this level of temptation going on. So, how much is Bob Coy worth at the age of 66 years old? If you think it is to avoid war, famine and sickness you are wrong. Barbara, You will have to do the homework. MLD, nothing in your 708 says that the 1000 years of Revelation, are figurative. Whether you are a participant in CCFL or not, the bigger picture here is that Pastor Bob is not Jesus! Now, tell me how you play around and allow yourself to be tempted. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. All I have published are the bare facts that I could verify through multiple sources. In 1968, he moved to California building hot rods by day and working as a machinist at Disneyland during the night. Many asked what where his motives for this if not selfish and serve serving and THAT is NOT of GOD!!!!!! thus becoming co dependent on the pastor for their fresh word rather than studying the word themselves. - -, - : - , -, , . Restoration is step three. How is that any different than the Bob Coy situation? In a congregation this size of course there are others who have been / are guilty of the same transgressions and there will be others in the future. Our relationships with Jesus need to matter more than getting up in front of a crowd does. No, my answer is well beyond convenient, it is crafted after years of thought, consideration and observation. If Bob leaves satan wins. I think I beat you to your passage and posting the Hebrew is a nice try for a save but to no avail. I love God and Jesus so much that is why I feel and pray the best for Bob Coy and his family. Which sin are you guilty of? He is a human that, if I may point out, has transformed MANY MANY MANY lives over several years and has grown CCFL into an amazing place of worship. Ill make you a deal, Lorenzo, well part company tonight, and I will think of my children who have made me proud, and walk upstairs with my wife, the wife of my youth and love of my life, and we will fall asleep in each others arms, whispering prayers of thankfulness for each other. The governing board of the church is providing counselors and ministers who will help guide him through the process of full repentance, cleansing and restoration, the statement reads. His name was Herod. Maybe more need to hear it. How long did you stay out of ministry before you came back, what measures did you take to make sure you didnt sin again, does your present congregation know of your adulterous past? this too I am speaking from personal experience. 7. If his marriage survives and I hope it does Bob will have to spend the rest of his days on his knees begging their forgiveness and thanking God for giving especially her too him. And did you go to bed with them? What a piece of s.. standing in the pulpit all the while knowing he was screwing 2 other woman if not more. We all had the church turn its back on us as if we were liars and the pastor had his boardaka henchmen literally try to chase my family out of town to keep us quiet. Oh now its inappropriate!!! See Against Heresies, Book V. He was refuting arch heretics Marcion and Valentinus who taught amillennialism. Please do not judge my pastor so harshly. well is that what you did? and someone from the OUTSIDE. 2y; View 3 more comments . That person is praying for me? <3. Both guilty, but with massively different responsibilities before God. I listened to the message at calvary today. And in the greater Ft. Lauderdale area, Ive no doubt there are many good churches. The criteria for judging is that you have to be willing to be judged by the same measure! We are all fools if we judge a fellow brother.to the amount of forgiveness and grace and mercy we give, it is given to us.go light on your brother, for we have been forgiven much.. anything else is not of Christ.beware.and anyone who tries to twist it, discipline is always meant for restoration. And may your little friends who warm themselves in the fires of scoffing and mockery take heed as well! It is my hope and prayer that you find healing and peace. He is trying to restore his family. He was ready to give his life to the church. "Religious leaders have a tremendous amount of power over their flock," says Scott Thumma, a professor of sociology of religion at Hartford Seminary who has studied the Calvary movement. Carry on. 3. I have looked this for years, and I think there are several groups that are maintaining biblical integrity and calling. I have to think this story will only broaden in scope. I dont know anything about John Hagee (I dont watch TV), and as for Chuck Missler, I never listened to him. Hugh. Its not that I am questioning you, just that what you say rings truer to what I have heard in the past. 29 Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. I hope that real love and compassion for his wife & kids are available. "I was brought up in a very religious, traditional Midwestern home," he told Ed Stetzer, a Wheaton College professor, in a 2013 interview for a video series. Coy Gibbs was a retired American NASCAR driver, and he was an entrepreneur also. I believe with God all things are possible. so they never addressed the dress of the women. This is awful. True confession accepts 100% of the blame. Amen to #639, especially your last paragraph, Ps40. In light of that, the apparent glee/self righteousness voiced by some above/previously sickens me. Yep pre mil dispies are replacement theologians, Gotta run, me and the wife are clocking out of work and going home. Who is the current pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa? As I said above, look how many men think that the light casual joking around is not harmful when they are actually sending out and allowing themselves to receive horny vibes. And in every matter of wisdom and understanding about which the king inquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and enchanters that were in all his kingdom. So what you are saying is if all the other guys had IQs of 120 then Daniel and his buddies had IQs of 1,200? So crazy that I became addicted to cocaine.". Thats not being victimized, thats being tempted by women who need healing not exploitation. My best advice is to try a few, some you will leave saying I wont go back Some you will attend for a few weeks and get a feel for it. , ; , . Thats getting copied and pasted and saved to be used a lot in the future , Gomer MLD, I would love to meet you someday, as you are the only man I have heard of who does not struggle with this in some way.. "People were really, really hurt," says Colleen Healy, a Broward resident who began following Coy in 1995. And I can name an endless list of Calvinists who have won tens of thousands to Christ. He who is true God became true man united in one Person forever. So my question is why was John Macarthur able to gain access to these most important crime scenes? I like the blog I posted because they are not calling it moral failings but adultery-which is what the Bible calls it. Repent, and live Literally, from the time of my outcries it took 10 years, many spiritually manipulated and demonized women, and a pregnant young woman (not his wife) to cause the church and his wife to finally kick him out. She confirmed the story in stomach-churning detail. Daniel 9:27And he will make a firm covenant with the many FOR ONE WEEK!, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate. , Filbertz Your argument is not with me but with Jesus who said they sit in Moses seat, Therefore pay attention to what they tell you and do it. Pastor Bob was screwing women other than his wife. I would imagine Bob is fine with that it allows him to retain leverage for a future power-play if needed. DIANE COY Diane was born and raised in Southern California where, as a high school senior, she gave her heart and life to Jesus as her Lord and Savior. Miami New Times, which first reported on the child abuse accusations against Coy on Tuesday, said that the 61-year-old founder of the 25,000-member megachurch in Florida is denying the allegations. He has also been teaching for even longer that the blood of Jesus Christ has no power to save. Look at bob through the eyes of Jesusthen post your comments on how you see him.. Im glad Pastor Chuck was spared from this. thou shalt not have moral failure with thy church women who arent thy wife, thus sayeth The Lord! I am not talking about positional but relational restoration. And please stop posting scripture with the Hebrew or Greek; its obvious youve studied neither since you cant even keep the tense straight in your run-on sentences. One of the women confided in her friend, and her friend confessed to another high profile pastor in the area that had a friendship with Coy. In 2005, Coy's church rented out Dolphin Stadium on Easter Sunday and drew more than 20,000 people. But you are void on answering my points even right now you did not respond to the Acts 2 interpretation charge but diverted back to Luther. . http://www.openbible.info/topics/election. Columnist Gray Baskerville called CadZZilla "the most incredible transformation he'd ever witnessed",[5] and in their "History of Hot Rods & Customs" the auto editors of Consumer Guide praised it as "the first really new type of custom since the heyday of the 1950s".[4]. Well when you do bad stuff and get caught sometimes you have to pay a price and Im not sure it is the best thing for churches to put guys right back in Positions of Trust and power over folks telling them how to live and what to do etc. Anyone can fall at anytime ! I regards to where to go to church Yours is a very special and personal relationship with God and you are blessed with so many choices in this area. 4. Calvary Chapel will always be my church, I never went there thinking that my pastors were saints, I went their to learn how to become a better person, how to live a faithful life with God, how to try and become more like Jesus TRY because no one in this planet has walked without sin except JESUS. take y words and spiritualize them.. Like his mentor Smith, he looked for converts in unusual places. He was the son of Joe Gibbs, a five-time NASCAR Cup Series championship winning owner and Pro Football Hall of Famer. Sure would make the shame easier to bear. That lent itself to a very youthful, crazy, wild lifestyle. Grace indeed but the truth needs to come out. , : - -, - -. both started their careers in his shop. doctrine like eschatology comes up, they all come out with very strong verbiage? I agree with Michael, that MacArthur is being grossly misrepresented here. How often do you pronounce curses in Gods name? [3] [4] [5] His media ministry, which includes radio, television, and digital media was subsequently terminated. Many evangelicals get saved and still do the same sins as before or trade them in for worse sins. Anonymous dont buy the lie men do not cheat because an ad pops up on their FB page. we were gone by then. In that you are named well. My question was can you recommend a Biblically sound LOCAL church? What's wrong with the House of Bishops' proposed same-sex prayers? Disgusting! When we objectify we act as gods. Just so you know 80% of the Church worldwide holds this position except in American Pop Evangelicalism. Most here know of my desire to minister to pastors who have fallen, and God has allowed me to reach out in the past as names where brought to me. Same with apologies. In 1998, financial trouble due to a $465,000 loss from a bankrupt customer led Coddington to re-organize Boyd's Wheels and partner with his eldest son (Boyd Coddington, Jr.). He resigned. So we have to have a discussion on the subject: What exactly is church? That would include the pornography stars. I have seen the results of calvinism, on many unwary new believers, it seems these Calvinists have a difficult time preaching the gospel and winning converts after all those that God has chosen are already saved, but these Calvinists have no problem infiltrating the churches and stealing Gods sheep with their vain philosophies based on man, let no one spoil you Paul warned, and this Calvinist preterist teaching is a rotting festering leaven in the body of Christ today! He confessed to his moral failing and is focusing his time on repairing his relationship with God and his family., My headline says resigned b/c thats the info I was givenquite different than fired, The official press release says resigned. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. This sorrow proceeding merely from the fear of punishment, is called legal repentance, as being excited by the terrors of legal penalties, and it may exist without an amendment of life. OR THOUGHT OF SOMEONE ELSE WHILE YOU WERE BEING INTIMATE WITH YOUR WIFE??? It was failing, no one knew it because they were told and shown drawings of a new church in the works. For me involves simply the interest in private conversation with people outside my circle. Did God appoint you to broadcast this? Hes too plugged in there. The Lord Knows. [12], Coddington was hospitalized on December 31, 2007. "I took a polygraph." He had admitted to a grave "moral failing." The Calvinist teaching does not coincide with Gods nature and Gods love as revealed in Scripture! Now how a man can be considered a great Bible expositor when he teaches that its OK to take the Mark? When it comes to blasting issues like Gay marriage from the pulpitsCC uses newspaper, tv, radio you name it. The Calvary Chapel movement is nothing but a put-on to confuse peoples minds and create stories that have NOTHING to do with Biblical truth. And so are you. Can you say Jimmy Swaggart? oh yes garbage. I hear the CC folks come on hear and proclaimwell were all sinners and only Jesus was perfect!yet they give Jesus-like powers to their Pastor rock star leaders in the form of the Moses Model where the Senior Pastor has all the power. What???? David Jeremiah was right. She told Payne she was "moving tomorrow [overseas] on a mission trip with the church, and asked if it was possible to destroy any record of [her] abuse," the detective wrote in a closeout memo. Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale (CCFL) is an evangelical, charismatic megachurch in Florida, with over 20,000 worshipers attending on average. May God have mercy, and may God use situations like this to remind all of us just how vulnerable we are when we do that which is right in our own eyes. I didnt attend the church Coy pastored or hear Coys doctrinal messages, but I can tell you this, if his doctrine was sound and according to the Scriptures then it will produce sound fruit! Michael- The attacks you are receiving remind me of the attacks I got when I was at that church attempting to do good. Would the owner of this blog if he was a Christian be relishing and rejoicing in the fall of a Christian pastor, if he was a Christian? Michael Newnham, a pastor from Oregon whose blog " Phoenix Preacher " details the scandals swirling around Calvary Chapel, pointed to sources claiming that Coy is trying to mobilize investors, because he . He boasted of a vast media reach. What happened at Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale? After the announcement, the congregation had a prayer and worship service. Lorenzo, Ive read all your posts and you are so full of hate and . You are a liar and you need to repent. Your turn. Its a constant throughout human history. 326 MICHAEL WHO MADE YOU MESSENGER?????????? If Bob Coy can only draw a crowd by comedy, then that tells you the nature of the whole place. (1) Faith in Jesus: Check; (2) Mega-anything = mega-bad: Check. There has not been joy expressed here for the scandal by the vast majority of people including the host. 1 Peter 4:8 Most important of all, continue to show deep love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins. It is not an easy process, but you will find one. I call it the most bs example and cop out of all the other bs to come down the CC pike over the years. well praying for you. 32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. come now and get real it is plain as day, that if you really read the Bible with all your heart you would know that the mark of the beast is a bar code stamped on your forehead. Antonio- Please find for me the scripture references for Moral Failure. It never happened. (Update: The club has now terminated its relationship with Coy and says it had no inkling of the allegations against him.) From the camera shots of the kids in the audience-they werent buying it. And dont forget that one of MacArthurs disciples, Francis Chan, is constantly preaching that American Christians are too rich and need to give it away to the world, as part of his works-based errors concerning the Gospel. Some of us can duck arrows better then others. I did. Forgive me, I was callous. The church was more concerned with non-believers.. come as you are to meet Jesus than protecting their own sheep. is the 1000 years? More people should resign. I might add, and only because I know you dont know this, but it was Jesus in the gospels who told us that he has already bound Satan. Boy do you have to stretch to believe this stuff. Pastor Bob will be focusing his full attention on his personal relationship with God and with his family. The make-up session with DC was at the auction so it was bid on. Can we guess? What do you do, you just put up little sayings to avoid answering the question, it doesnt change the question, its still waiting to be answered! You have to reject the Old Testament. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. That whole situation made everyone pleased. they were generous givers. My Prayers and heart go to Bob Coy and his family. Miss Daisy, i assume youre a woman, if youre not, then you have bigger problems, but if youre a woman of course you havent had problems with porn, porn is primarily a mans vice. For everyone. The p0rn habit is insatiable, gotta treat it like a heroin addiction and view it as just as dangerous to you or it will eat you alive if you want to be married and be a father to your kids and if you want to remain a public pastor teaching against such things. I travel almost an hour to CCFTL because I was well fed there. And if Bob is reading this he now knows who I am. No one will recognize him on the beaches of South France or strolling through Florence. Calvary was among the first churches in the nation to air podcasts, stream services online, and simulcast sermons at satellite campuses (the church had opened campuses in Plantation and Boca). Charles Ward SmithJune 25, 1927 Ventura, California, U.S. October 3, 2013 (aged 86) Newport Beach, California, U.S. Many people- even as of yesterday didnt even know he was gone. Its as if he could never do any wrong. Is the IRS coming to take them to jail? He really should have thought this one out. But to be honest, I dont think eschatology should be a dividing line doctrine that some folks put it into. Process and healing will take time. Whenever we see something like that on a show like this, it causes us to get concerned. Let the matter sort itself out and let him rail away like a coyote in the night wind. He is a human that, if I may point out, has transformed MANY MANY MANY lives over several years and has grown CCFL into an amazing place of worship. What would Jesus do? Getting professional help gives you a partner to help you resolve these. Phoenix Preacher 2023. NOTHING can take that away ! I know the poster meant well, but this seems to be the kind of pastor worship that causes these problems in the first place, and lets pastors feel invincible for years of sin. He has opportunity to confess, repent and turn back to the faith he knows so well. Larry Erickson, later the chief designer of the Mustang and Thunderbird for Ford Motor Co., worked with Coddington early on, and specifically credits the CadZZilla collaboration for jump-starting his career. Two of my three children still struggle with doubt in their faith and I can not believe our experience didnt have something to do with it. Id just like to ask a simple question. When she's not writing, she's probably cooking or exploring new places. ", "I haven't prayed enough for my Pastor Bob and his family," Beth Graber wrote. I forgive him and i still love him. Jean, this went on at a large church I attended for awhile and when I questioned it I was told it was a common practice, having what they called aKings Circle. It took our family years to recover from his actions, and I guess this all just brings it back. And even if complaints arose, Smith's answer was often to give wayward preachers second and third chances. What did we get when we were lied about, shunned by others who were too loyal to even ask what happened to us and raked over the hot coals by him and his leadership? In one case, victims claimed the church knowingly moved a pedophile to another city without warning parents. Its in the public record that for working part time for Grace To You in 2011 he earned $402,000. Coy was banging 2 woman in the last year if not more where was his brain??? THAT pastor contacted the board. LOL. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; AND THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS. Coddington grew up in Rupert, Idaho, reading all the car and hot rod magazines he could, and got his first car (a 1931 Chevrolet truck) at age 13. Revelation is mixed with both things fulfilled and things unfolding. I have spent years hearing people around me saying, Bob Coy is so funny!, Bob Coy knows how to do church! ad nauseum. And then you want me to take the 1,000 yrs as literal when there has been nothing literal in the chapter? In fact, at least eight pastors, staffers, and volunteers in Calvary Chapel's network around the United States have been charged with abusing children since 2010. He was discharged shortly after New Year's Eve, but was readmitted a few days later to Presbyterian Intercommunity Hospital in Whittier, California. Diane Downs gave birth to four children. So if you have a problem with that, take it up with God. And only because I am entering a different stage of grief which is anger Pastor Chinelly and Pastor Fidel Gomez were both unfaithful to their wives. Most of us live in glass houses anyway. Or are they not equally guilty. Krent W. I apologize for my flippant remark to your initial comment at 338. If not then the whole board and staff needs to repent ( in ways appropriate to their position and level of participation and approval) . Very. The Holy Spirit is still at work. In my opinion, if he did this [to one victim], it's just a question of how many others are out there. Probably just coincidence. On the issue of DC his wife- if you read her page on the church website she explains that she left ministry to raise her kids and be home for Bob. Tell me why you need to be the first w news rather than respecting the church body and unity of faith and respecting that as a congregation, we need to be together to receive our family update. Maybe thats a byproduct of not letting women hold leadership positions. So, when they said, clean out your desk, he did.. Women would come in promiscuous outfits -they would say How do you know it is not a prostitute looking for Jesus? Lets not forget that we are all susceptible to sin and God can heal broken hearts. Notice how all Christians are all supposed to get along with one another, kumbayah, and yet when a (secondary?) and help keep the future of New Times, Use of this website constitutes acceptance of our. Michael, Concerning your #131 post In the aftermath of what happened to me at a CC church with a serial adulterer (most of you know of whom I speak,) I have maintained off and on contact these past ten years with 4 of the women who also told this pastor NO when he propositioned them. I havent seen anyone here gloating or rejoicing in his fall. Andy, How I have seen just over the last two days, about where a person goes for Bible interpretation, will make all the difference. Chuck Missler and John Hagee wrote exactly what you are trying to sell.